Tuesday, April 15, 2008

Kids and manners

Over the weekend we had a gang of old friends visit us, families in tow, for dinner. Most of them have one kids if not two so the house was a wild melee of assorted agegroups chattering together.

One of the couples - he and I went to business school together and his wife and I have been friendly since day one - has two daughters, age 10 and 7. The older one, when she was born and till quite a few years later, looked just like a doll. She was quiet and shy and used to cling to her mom. Well, now she's all growed up at 10 years old, and I regret to say A and I disliked her.

She's become a chubby little kid, and has the most belligerent expression on her face at all times, as if she's just waiting to pick a fight with someone. The scowl rarely leaves her face, and she's not all that good at greeting people when she walks into their home. And her expression is both unpleasant and not very intelligent.

Since kids were coming over, and it's a houserule in any case, we had some healthy snacks around, like masala paneer, and lots of fruit juice. "Where are the chips? Where is the coke?" this girl asked my maid, and quite rudely at that, and made a face when told we didn't have either. Then she somehow spotted an unopened box of butter cookies which was lying in a closed cupboard ( I wasn't in the kitchen at the time so dunno how she did it) and promptly demanded and devoured four of them by herself and asked for more! This isn't the first time I've seen her demonstrate a penchant for being 'grabby' about food either - even during other visits, she has pounced on food and drink and demanded things that weren't being served.

Then later, A was putting on a movie for all the kids since we figured that would be one thing that would unite the motley crew. We had a carefully edited selection of movies - Sound of Music, Mary Poppins, Swiss Family Robinson or the Ice age/ Finding Nemo variety. To every single suggestion that was put forth by anybody, this girl replied with a rude negative. Poor Chubbocks kept trying to voice his choices but there were too many kids older than him and we'd explained that he had to let the guests choose, so he stayed quiet in the background.

Finally, one of the other mothers made the rule that two movies would be watched, each for 45 minutes, as the only way to settle the argument. Even during the time that the kids were watching the movie, when A poked his head in to find out how they were doing or if the CD had finished, he was met by rude replies from this girl. She didn;t mix with any of the other kids, didn;t bother saying a 'hi' or 'Hello' - and this when she knew many of them already - and didn;t end up interacting with anyone except her own sister. Later, when everyone was having food, this girl comes rushing up to me demanding a piece of dessert - not asking politely, but demanding. No Thank you's, no pleases, no pleasantness - it really left a bad taste in our mouths.

I really had to wonder where all this aggression and belligerency was coming from. Her parents are both quite strict whenever I've seen them, and are soft-spoken people themselves. They are both well-educated, well-mannered people. I could just imagine this girl bullying the maids at home when the parents weren't around. Her sister on the other hand is well-mannered and soft spoken, so I have to hope it's just a phase, but it leaves me wondering what her parents are doing about it - are they perhaps not aware of it, or they do deal with it on their own turf but don't want to start a battle with their kid in someone else's house?

The other thing I wondered was whether perhaps the parents were really strict with her diet at home and so she was greedy when they went out, and whether the anger was some kind of pre-teen thing she was going through ( my niece - husband's cousin's daughter has that going on, and she is a 'Goth' at school in the US - dresses in all black weird clothes and scares the bejabbers out of us).

Later that weekend we were chatting with a friend who said once their daughter's school had called them up to say their daughter was very greedy - that other kids would be on their second slice of pizza and this kid would have wolfed down four. The parents then figured out that because they were very strict about junk food at home, whenever their daughter saw an opportunity when the parents weren't around, it became a huge attraction for her.

Many questions are racing through my mind including our own rather strict lines of appropriate behaviour and particularly stingy doling out of junk food...

So...right now giving the girl the benefit of the doubt but still not appreciatting her sulky and rude manner.

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We had been gorging on the leftover party food for two days, since I and A are the kinds who panic and overestimate instead of getting it right, and yesterday I got the best compliment of my life from Chubbocks.

"Mama, you cook just like a chef!"

Me ( nonplussed): "What's a chef?"

C: "A Master of Cooking."

Me: Big beam from ear to ear!!!

10 comments:

Mona said...

yeah, i used to wonder about that when i was younger. that these parently who have really really strict rules at home make rebels unintentionally.
i knew a girl at school whose parents were quite conservative and expected her to wear clothes that they deemed appropriate and sure enough, she would leave home dressed like they wanted her to and they she'd get to the mall or school and change into really, really skanky clothes. clothes that girls who had all the freedom to wear whatever they liked were sensible enough to stay away from. needless to say that girl was in trouble a lot.
it's scary, isn't it?

Anusha said...

what a compliment...! Chubbocks is really sweet..

Mystic Margarita said...

That was some compliment! :)
You know, I've been thinking about this lately, too. Is it possible that no matter how wonderfullly nurturing environment you might provide, a child's inherent nature will take over at some point? All we can do as parents, is do the best we can...

Anonymous said...

Hi,

first comment I think - used to be on GO, and was thrilled when I found your blog! :-)

Anyway, could the child be on some kind of meds? You mentioned she was chubby and belligerent - some steroids do that to kids - we know a very sweet kid who has an impaired liver, so periodically gets steroids - they turn him into a monster, but the parents have no choice but to keep him on the meds. They do let all the people he interacts with know though, so that we don't think they're just ignoring bad behaviour.

Hope it *is* that...else could be the onset of PMS - I know many kids get very cranky about that age, and with decreasing ages of menarche, 10 isn't too young...

M

bird's eye view said...

Mona - I guess Buddha was right - the middle way is best :)

KM - yes, I thought it was an incredible compliment from a 5 year old!

Mystic M - I've always wondered about the nature vs nurture debate since I read about it in psychology - but I feel politeness is something that can and has to be taught.

Hi anon - are you no longer on GO? Yes, maybe the kid was either on meds or could be PMS, I suppose, she'd certainly 'developed' enough for menses to have started. Poor her if that's the case.

Swati said...

First ..Congrats on the compliment.

Second , I believe that must be a phase , pre-teen as you said, since everything else seems so right.

Third , I believe that junk food is bad for kids but then I do believe that nothing is going to happen with half a glass of coke in 15 days (just an example)Aryan has still not tasted candies , sweets and coke. But when he does I will have to make sure I keep a balance.

Take it easy :-)

noon said...

Hi BEV - sweet isn't it - how C gave you such a sweet compliment! :) Happy feeling! :)
And as for the girl - I feel v sorry for her. I think it must be obvious to the parents - I don't know why they cannot interfere and tell her that she should be nice and what not - you don't have to pick a battle but you can gently tell the child - a ten year old is not a baby I know but still very young...if behavior is bad the parents owe it to her to tell her to behave properly...and I think she may already be suffering from low self esteem...feel bad for her really - can't you talk to your friend sort of in genl terms and see if you can get them to notice what's going on?

Anonymous said...

No, I quit GO over a year ago -work got too intense and didn't have time to keep up with the digests...also dropped the LPW Yahoo group then....

M

bird's eye view said...

Swati,yes, I am still feeling thrilled with the compli. Could be a preteen thing, I suppose, with my friend's daughter. As far as discipline goes, we're moderate about the junk food - for example, chubbocks is allowed to have coke if he goes to a party, and he's allowed 2 pieces of candy in a day as long as he has eaten healthy the rest of the day. He's allowed chips once in while - usually we don't bring them home so the temptation isn't there - and pizza about once a month or so, depending on when we crave it, for all of us. Mostly I want to tread a middle path so it doesn't become something the kids covet and sneak and that it doesn't become a way of life...

Noon - I would have spoken to my friends if we saw them frequently but we see them once a couple of times a year because they live far off and all four of us work fulltime, so I'm a bit reluctant to bring it up. Let's see - if we do end up meeting again soon and I see the same sort of thing, I might emntion it to them quietly.

Anon - just wondering if you happened to read Two CS Girls in India.

Sukhaloka said...

I'm no one to comment about bratty kids, but that compliment from Chubbocks is sooo sweet :)

Oh - masala paneer and fruit juice is so totally my kind of thing! My friend's parents served that at their 25th anniversary, and I stopped eating it only when we had to go up for the main course :P

For my birthday, Dipali had cucumber and carrot sticks in a dahi dip, plus corn chips and salsa for appetizers. Again, I stopped eating only when it was time for the main course. Yum yum yum!
(I think I'm having a growth spurt, at this late age of 19. What else would explain this food obsession?)